April 22nd, 2005
|lil_blue_monkey||11:47 am - Question on Immortality|
Any help you can give me on this is much appreciated:
I'm reading this booklet called "What is Your Destiny" the United Church of God sent me...and i'm questioning some of what it's saying...so I want to ask for your opinion:
Basically, it says that our soul doesn't live on after we die, that that's some kind of superstition from ancient times...but that it too dies. It even quotes Ezekiel 18:4, 20 when saying that our soul is mortal rather than immortal. but it does say, however, that we can achieve immortality by seeking God and Jesus.
So here's the questions:
1) are they correct in their teachings?
2) if our soul doesn't live on, how can we possibly have immortal life?
x-posted to my journal
Current Mood: confused
what would be the point in Jesus dying for our sins to make us pure and teaching us that the only way to God is through Him if we didn't have an immortal soul? what would be the point in heaven or hell? what would be the point in all the teachings? the events that happened in the Bible and now?
these people are teaching a bunch of crap.
just to add to what i said, i looked up what these people believe in, and a lot of it sounds almost cult like.
one thing that really stands out to me is this:
"We believe God's purpose for mankind is to prepare those whom He calls, and who elect through a life of overcoming sin, developing righteous character, and growing in grace and knowledge, to possess the Kingdom and to become kings and priests reigning with Christ on this earth after His return."
they are basically saying that the Jehovah Witnesses claim, that only certian people make it to heaven. i've always found this contradictory, forgivness of sins if avaiable to everyone, but only certian people are allowed into heaven. how does this equal out? it's just a gamble then?
God is everything. He made everything. He was here before anything and this is His story, not our's. He decided to invite us to be a part of it. He really doesn't need us and he deffinatly doesn't need our help in "ruling" anything. so, that whole system doesn't make any sense.
there really is nothing to support half their beliefs. it's a lot like the Catholic church, loads of traditional beliefs with nothing to back them up.
i'd advise you to just trash that booklet.
thanks for your input
Yeah, what you're saying is basically my thought pattern too.
it's always bothered me that some particular "branches" of Christianity seem to follow a "be perfect and do what we say or you won't get into heaven" mentality. to me, we should be able to ask forgiveness for our sins and recieve it. God's not the kind of god who would hold grudges and retaliate...
And like you said, what's the point of Jesus coming to save us if we don't have a soul? I just couldn't figure out their thought pattern as to how we would get to experience Heaven and Hell if we didn't have a soul!
that book sounds highly questionable.. it didnt sit right with me, ask them what exactly DOES live on... I am curious what they really think about that...
The passage in Ezekiel tells us that hell is, essentially, death to the soul. An eternal, painful death. But Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The only way to having an immortal soul.
But, having said that, that "church" (The United Church of God) is just another protestant church created by a man 10 years ago.